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==Date==
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April 30th, 2015
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==Summary==
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Vader looks down from Luke to the lightsaber in his own black-gloved hand. He seems to ponder Luke's words.
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==Guests==
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[[Paul Rust]]
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==Notes==
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===Film===
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*Starts with Luke saying "I know, Father" and ends with Darth Vader saying that indeed Luke is  powerful as the Emperor has foreseen.
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===Podcast===
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*Referenced: [http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Andorian Andorians] from Star Trek.
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*Luke is gambling that Vader won't kill him.
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**How Luke might have reacted poorly when Vader ignited the lightsaber.
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*Luke's Jedi voice.
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*Pete's theory that [[SWM-Canon#.22The_Force.22_does_not_exist|the Force doesn't exist]].
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*Does Vader think of himself as a good guy or a bad guy?
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**The story is more compelling if Vader thinks he can't be saved.
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*Going to the Dark Side vs. going [[Wikipedia:Goth_subculture|goth]].
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*What if: Vader revealed he wasn't Luke's father.
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**Mentioned: the Dread Pirate Roberts from ''[[The Princess Bride Minute|the Princess Bride]]'', ''Fight Club''.
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*What does Vader know about what Luke has been through?
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*Vader could have accidentally killed Luke. Other moments that could have ended the trilogy.
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*The [https://youtube.com/watch?v=_ayT0EZwbks&t=0m51s deleted scene] where Luke finishes his lightsaber. They put this scene in since that one was cut.
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*Wait, so is Luke's training complete or isn't it? It's like a college stress dream.
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*[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Infinities:_Return_of_the_Jedi Star Wars Infinities] and Vader's white suit.
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[[File:Tj3Jc9n.jpg|none|thumb|380px|link=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodCostumeSwitch]]
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*'Hell' in the the Star Wars universe. Shoutout to future guest of the show [[Neil Campbell]].
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*The Prequels lined up with important transitions in Paul's life.
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*Paul ranks the movies.
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*ROTJ is awkward because it's some of the most mature content combined with kiddy stuff.
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*The character of Luke and the acting of Mark Hamill evolve as the movies go on.
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*Luke easily accepts that Vader is his father.
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*Anakin cuts off Luke's hand, just like his own hand etc. was cut off.
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**Mentioned: ''The Shining''.
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*How much damage Vader has sustained.
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**Referenced: "Dr Who", Krang from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
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*[[Support the Show]] etc.
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===Meta Minute===
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*21:29 podcast episode length.
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*[[8-DAY-GREEDO]] call from J. James. In response to Lars' [[Return of the Jedi 80|earlier call]] about [[Moisture Vaporators]], kicking off the heated discussion on the topic.
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*As Star Wars fans are probably aware, "vader" is "father" in Dutch.
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*The Darth Vader pickup shot in this scene features technician [[Harold Cole]] portraying Vader.
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*'{{wookiee|Hell}}' has an entry in the Wookieepedia, but it is an abstract concept rather than a place.
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*"Christian Hell" has become something of a running joke on the podcast and in the [[SWMLS]].
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*The tiny creature pulling levers inside a metal body from the "Doctor Who" universe that Pete is thinking of is the Kaled mutant inside of the [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dalek#Mutant Dalek].
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==Quotes==
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*'''Paul:''' (as a newly reformed Vader) I recognize the '''Western understanding of good and evil'''.
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*'''Paul:''' (quoting his pal Neil) "...see you in hell. Christian Hell!"
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*'''Paul:''' (on ranking the Prequels) Do I like green beans more than peas? I guess so.
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*'''Pete:''' Your junior high had monsters and hearts ripped out and, ya know, women in bikinis being enslaved...
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==Link==
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http://www.starwarsminute.com/2015/04/30/jedi-minute-84-the-western-understanding-of-good-and-evil/
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Hell, other people, it is.

Date

April 30th, 2015

Summary

Vader looks down from Luke to the lightsaber in his own black-gloved hand. He seems to ponder Luke's words.

Guests

Paul Rust

Notes

Film

  • Starts with Luke saying "I know, Father" and ends with Darth Vader saying that indeed Luke is powerful as the Emperor has foreseen.

Podcast

  • Referenced: Andorians from Star Trek.
  • Luke is gambling that Vader won't kill him.
    • How Luke might have reacted poorly when Vader ignited the lightsaber.
  • Luke's Jedi voice.
  • Pete's theory that the Force doesn't exist.
  • Does Vader think of himself as a good guy or a bad guy?
    • The story is more compelling if Vader thinks he can't be saved.
  • Going to the Dark Side vs. going goth.
  • What if: Vader revealed he wasn't Luke's father.
  • What does Vader know about what Luke has been through?
  • Vader could have accidentally killed Luke. Other moments that could have ended the trilogy.
  • The deleted scene where Luke finishes his lightsaber. They put this scene in since that one was cut.
  • Wait, so is Luke's training complete or isn't it? It's like a college stress dream.
  • Star Wars Infinities and Vader's white suit.
Tj3Jc9n.jpg
  • 'Hell' in the the Star Wars universe. Shoutout to future guest of the show Neil Campbell.
  • The Prequels lined up with important transitions in Paul's life.
  • Paul ranks the movies.
  • ROTJ is awkward because it's some of the most mature content combined with kiddy stuff.
  • The character of Luke and the acting of Mark Hamill evolve as the movies go on.
  • Luke easily accepts that Vader is his father.
  • Anakin cuts off Luke's hand, just like his own hand etc. was cut off.
    • Mentioned: The Shining.
  • How much damage Vader has sustained.
    • Referenced: "Dr Who", Krang from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
  • Support the Show etc.

Meta Minute

  • 21:29 podcast episode length.
  • 8-DAY-GREEDO call from J. James. In response to Lars' earlier call about Moisture Vaporators, kicking off the heated discussion on the topic.
  • As Star Wars fans are probably aware, "vader" is "father" in Dutch.
  • The Darth Vader pickup shot in this scene features technician Harold Cole portraying Vader.
  • 'Hell' has an entry in the Wookieepedia, but it is an abstract concept rather than a place.
  • "Christian Hell" has become something of a running joke on the podcast and in the SWMLS.
  • The tiny creature pulling levers inside a metal body from the "Doctor Who" universe that Pete is thinking of is the Kaled mutant inside of the Dalek.

Quotes

  • Paul: (as a newly reformed Vader) I recognize the Western understanding of good and evil.
  • Paul: (quoting his pal Neil) "...see you in hell. Christian Hell!"
  • Paul: (on ranking the Prequels) Do I like green beans more than peas? I guess so.
  • Pete: Your junior high had monsters and hearts ripped out and, ya know, women in bikinis being enslaved...

Link

http://www.starwarsminute.com/2015/04/30/jedi-minute-84-the-western-understanding-of-good-and-evil/


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