Jedi Minute 84: The Western Understanding of Good and Evil

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Hell, other people, it is.


April 30th, 2015


Vader looks down from Luke to the lightsaber in his own black-gloved hand. He seems to ponder Luke's words.


Paul Rust



  • Starts with Luke saying "I know, Father" and ends with Darth Vader saying that indeed Luke is powerful as the Emperor has foreseen.


  • Referenced: Andorians from Star Trek.
  • Luke is gambling that Vader won't kill him.
    • How Luke might have reacted poorly when Vader ignited the lightsaber.
  • Luke's Jedi voice.
  • Pete's theory that the Force doesn't exist.
  • Does Vader think of himself as a good guy or a bad guy?
    • The story is more compelling if Vader thinks he can't be saved.
  • Going to the Dark Side vs. going goth.
  • What if: Vader revealed he wasn't Luke's father.
  • What does Vader know about what Luke has been through?
  • Vader could have accidentally killed Luke. Other moments that could have ended the trilogy.
  • The deleted scene where Luke finishes his lightsaber. They put this scene in since that one was cut.
  • Wait, so is Luke's training complete or isn't it? It's like a college stress dream.
  • Star Wars Infinities and Vader's white suit.
  • 'Hell' in the Star Wars universe. Shoutout to future guest of the show Neil Campbell.
  • The Prequels lined up with important transitions in Paul's life.
  • Paul ranks the movies.
  • ROTJ is awkward because it's some of the most mature content combined with kiddy stuff.
  • The character of Luke and the acting of Mark Hamill evolve as the movies go on.
  • Luke easily accepts that Vader is his father.
  • Anakin cuts off Luke's hand, just like his own hand etc. was cut off.
    • Mentioned: The Shining.
  • How much damage Vader has sustained.
    • Referenced: "Dr Who", Krang from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
  • Support the Show etc.

Meta Minute

  • 21:29 podcast episode length.
  • 8-DAY-GREEDO call from J. James. In response to Lars' earlier call about Moisture Vaporators, kicking off the heated discussion on the topic.
  • As Star Wars fans are probably aware, "vader" is "father" in Dutch.
  • The Darth Vader pickup shot in this scene features technician Harold Cole portraying Vader.
  • 'Hell' has an entry in the Wookieepedia, but it is an abstract concept rather than a place.
  • "Christian Hell" has become something of a running joke on the podcast and in the SWMLS.
  • The tiny creature pulling levers inside a metal body from the "Doctor Who" universe that Pete is thinking of is the Kaled mutant inside of the Dalek.


  • Paul: (as a newly reformed Vader) I recognize the Western understanding of good and evil.
  • Paul: (quoting his pal Neil) "...see you in hell. Christian Hell!"
  • Paul: (on ranking the Prequels) Do I like green beans more than peas? I guess so.
  • Pete: Your junior high had monsters and hearts ripped out and, ya know, women in bikinis being enslaved...


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