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*Starts with Luke saying "I know, Father" and ends with Darth Vader saying that indeed Luke is powerful as the Emperor has foreseen. | *Starts with Luke saying "I know, Father" and ends with Darth Vader saying that indeed Luke is powerful as the Emperor has foreseen. | ||
===Podcast=== | ===Podcast=== | ||
*Referenced: | *Referenced:{{Trek|Andorian|Andorians}} from Star Trek. | ||
*Luke is gambling that Vader won't kill him. | *Luke is gambling that Vader won't kill him. | ||
**How Luke might have reacted poorly when Vader ignited the lightsaber. | **How Luke might have reacted poorly when Vader ignited the lightsaber. | ||
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*The [https://youtube.com/watch?v=_ayT0EZwbks&t=0m51s deleted scene] where Luke finishes his lightsaber. They put this scene in since that one was cut. | *The [https://youtube.com/watch?v=_ayT0EZwbks&t=0m51s deleted scene] where Luke finishes his lightsaber. They put this scene in since that one was cut. | ||
*Wait, so is Luke's training complete or isn't it? It's like a college stress dream. | *Wait, so is Luke's training complete or isn't it? It's like a college stress dream. | ||
* | *{{Wookiee|Star_Wars_Infinities:_Return_of_the_Jedi|Star Wars Infinities}} and Vader's white suit. | ||
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*'Hell' in the the Star Wars universe. Shoutout to future guest of the show [[Neil Campbell]]. | *'Hell' in the the Star Wars universe. Shoutout to future guest of the show [[Neil Campbell]]. | ||
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*As Star Wars fans are probably aware, "vader" is "father" in Dutch. | *As Star Wars fans are probably aware, "vader" is "father" in Dutch. | ||
*The Darth Vader pickup shot in this scene features technician [[Harold Cole]] portraying Vader. | *The Darth Vader pickup shot in this scene features technician [[Harold Cole]] portraying Vader. | ||
*'{{wookiee|Hell}}' has an entry in the Wookieepedia, but it is an abstract concept rather than a place. | *'{{wookiee|Hell|}}' has an entry in the Wookieepedia, but it is an abstract concept rather than a place. | ||
*"Christian Hell" has become something of a running joke on the podcast and in the [[SWMLS]]. | *"Christian Hell" has become something of a running joke on the podcast and in the [[SWMLS]]. | ||
*The tiny creature pulling levers inside a metal body from the "Doctor Who" universe that Pete is thinking of is the Kaled mutant inside of the [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dalek#Mutant Dalek]. | *The tiny creature pulling levers inside a metal body from the "Doctor Who" universe that Pete is thinking of is the Kaled mutant inside of the [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dalek#Mutant Dalek]. | ||
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Date
April 30th, 2015
Summary
Vader looks down from Luke to the lightsaber in his own black-gloved hand. He seems to ponder Luke's words.
Guests
Notes
Film
- Starts with Luke saying "I know, Father" and ends with Darth Vader saying that indeed Luke is powerful as the Emperor has foreseen.
Podcast
- Referenced:Andorians from Star Trek.
- Luke is gambling that Vader won't kill him.
- How Luke might have reacted poorly when Vader ignited the lightsaber.
- Luke's Jedi voice.
- Pete's theory that the Force doesn't exist.
- Does Vader think of himself as a good guy or a bad guy?
- The story is more compelling if Vader thinks he can't be saved.
- Going to the Dark Side vs. going goth.
- What if: Vader revealed he wasn't Luke's father.
- Mentioned: the Dread Pirate Roberts from the Princess Bride, Fight Club.
- What does Vader know about what Luke has been through?
- Vader could have accidentally killed Luke. Other moments that could have ended the trilogy.
- The deleted scene where Luke finishes his lightsaber. They put this scene in since that one was cut.
- Wait, so is Luke's training complete or isn't it? It's like a college stress dream.
- Star Wars Infinities and Vader's white suit.
- 'Hell' in the the Star Wars universe. Shoutout to future guest of the show Neil Campbell.
- The Prequels lined up with important transitions in Paul's life.
- Paul ranks the movies.
- ROTJ is awkward because it's some of the most mature content combined with kiddy stuff.
- The character of Luke and the acting of Mark Hamill evolve as the movies go on.
- Luke easily accepts that Vader is his father.
- Anakin cuts off Luke's hand, just like his own hand etc. was cut off.
- Mentioned: The Shining.
- How much damage Vader has sustained.
- Referenced: "Dr Who", Krang from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
- Support the Show etc.
Meta Minute
- 21:29 podcast episode length.
- 8-DAY-GREEDO call from J. James. In response to Lars' earlier call about Moisture Vaporators, kicking off the heated discussion on the topic.
- As Star Wars fans are probably aware, "vader" is "father" in Dutch.
- The Darth Vader pickup shot in this scene features technician Harold Cole portraying Vader.
- 'Hell' has an entry in the Wookieepedia, but it is an abstract concept rather than a place.
- "Christian Hell" has become something of a running joke on the podcast and in the SWMLS.
- The tiny creature pulling levers inside a metal body from the "Doctor Who" universe that Pete is thinking of is the Kaled mutant inside of the Dalek.
Quotes
- Paul: (as a newly reformed Vader) I recognize the Western understanding of good and evil.
- Paul: (quoting his pal Neil) "...see you in hell. Christian Hell!"
- Paul: (on ranking the Prequels) Do I like green beans more than peas? I guess so.
- Pete: Your junior high had monsters and hearts ripped out and, ya know, women in bikinis being enslaved...
Link
http://www.starwarsminute.com/2015/04/30/jedi-minute-84-the-western-understanding-of-good-and-evil/