Last Jedi Minute 62: Bad Dudes

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Date

April 27th, 2021

Summary

Ben Solo decides he don’t need no education but we need the thoughts of guest commentator Jordan White!

Guests

Jordan White

Notes

Film

  • Starts with the Jedi temple burning, ends with Rey saying "I won't…"
  • This minute contains the shot that appears in Rey's vision in Maz's castle (Force Awakens trailer shot).

Podcast

  • This is the wrong show, but there's an outtake from the song "I Will" where Paul says "I won't".
    • Mark Hamill is supposedly a big Beatles fan.
  • Where was R2 when Ben was destroying the temple? How come he survived unscathed? Alex is suspicious.
    • He was also sleeping on the job when Padmé was in danger of being assassinated by the worms.
    • R2 was probably conflicted because both Luke and Ben were kind of his family and he didn't know which to support.
    • It would have been nice if he had recorded an objective perspective of the confrontation between Luke and Ben so we didn't have to rely only on their subjective recollections.
  • Wait how did R2 know when to wake up, and how did the map to Luke work, especially considering he didn't want to be found?
  • How many students is a "handful"? There's a comic book miniseries that explains this.
    • They didn't also turn the Dark side they either when is the hiding themselves or attempted to chase down Kylo Ren and kill him and were themselves killed.
  • These students are not the same thing as the Knights of Ren.
    • The Knights of Ren aren't even Force sensitive if they're just Bad Dudes.
    • Kylo Ren killed the old leader of the Knights of Ren and took over as their master (that's where he got his name).
      • But he was a bad guy and probably deserved it, so is Kylo really all that evil?
  • Things in Star Wars like the Clone Wars being cool until you explain them in a movie.
  • It would have been fun if the Knights of Ren became the Praetorian Guard that we see in this movie, but they don't.
    • Or or or what if the Praetorian Guard were all just Kylo Ren clones and this was revealed during the throne room fight scene.
      • What if Kylo Ren himself was a clone?
  • Although Jordan really likes this movie, there are dumb things to notice about it,
    • One of them is that Luke is dressed like a Jedi despite wanting to distance himself from everything the Jedi stood for.
      • His everyday clothes are simple gray and not Jedi-like, but he decided that he had to dress like a Jedi coincidentally on the day that Rey showed up on the island.
      • Gary Whitta's (he wrote Rogue One) no-prize explanation for this. It's kind of a retcon.
  • The weird otherworldly quality to Luke's face in the green glow of (what we later learn) is his lightsaber in the flashback. It calls to mind that episode of "The X-Files" where we get different characters' points of view of an event.
    • According to the Force Awakens visual dictionary, Luke dons his Jedi robe to perform a final Jedi rite.
  • We want to know how Snoke turned Kylo Ren to the Dark side. What did he tell or promise him to seduce him away from the Light?
    • Was it about how great Darth Vader was, because that checks out; little kids think Darth Vader is awesome.
  • Jordan's "bad parent" confession is his 3-year-old son has seen every Star Wars movie.
    • Rogue One was the one he held off on but he realized that his kid wasn't going to get the dark parts of it yet.
      • Spoilers, everybody in Rogue One dies. **The Star Wars Little Golden Books and how they sanitized and danced around death.
  • Given what we know now that snoke was basically expressly created for the purpose of turning kylo Ren to the dark side it's funny that he turned out the way that he did.

Meta Minute

  • 36:03 podcast episode length.
  • Pete was right, the piece of the map that BB-8 had was the local map, and R2 had the larger overall map.

Quotes

  • Pete: (as R2) Yeah, I'll make sure nothing bad happens (R2, to himself) *sigh* please let something bad happen.
  • Alex: The ceremonial "tossing of the saber" for luck.
  • Jordan: (to Pete) Good! Wise. Good parenting.
  • Jordan: (as a young Ben Solo) Uncle Luke, you're so lame! You're relatively good-looking and normal size. If only you were bigger and uglier, then I would think you were cool and listen to you.

Links

Audio only
http://www.starwarsminute.com/2021/04/27/last-jedi-minute-62-bad-dudes
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esePjWkUN0k

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